Father Len Dubi: How TM Enriches my Religious Life (Part 1)

by Bob Roth on April 8, 2010

I went to church in Chicago a few weeks ago to interview two highly respected Christian clergy, each of whom have been practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique for over 30 years.

Father Len Dubi of St. Victor’s Parish and Reverend John Hutchinson of the First Methodist Church were very gracious, setting aside almost two hours to talk. The time flew by, and I left feeling deeply moved and inspired by the significance of what they had to say. Not surprisingly, that feeling has stayed with me ever since.

Both Fr. Dubi and Rev. Hutchinson spoke in glowing terms about their own longtime Transcendental Meditation practice, which they emphasize:

(a) is not religious in nature.

(b) does not conflict with their religion.

(c) only enriches their Christian faith.

They said they meditate before their morning daily prayers and Scriptural readings because it settles mind, body, and heart—and makes their spiritual life in Christianity more meaningful and fulfilling.

In this first meeting in a series of interviews with meditating clergy of all faiths, Fr. Dubi spoke for the first time on camera about how his TM practice has impacted his personal life and his life as a pastor.

“Transcendental Meditation is a bridge to deepen my religious commitment,” Fr. Dubi explains. “I meditate every morning before I celebrate Mass. I feel much clearer, much more centered, and much more silent inside… It enriches and enhances our understanding and empowers our prayer and allows me to come in conscious contact with a power that is greater than ourselves.”

Fr. Dubi was ordained as a priest in 1968. He has served as pastor of St. Victor Parish since 2005, after serving as the pastor of St. Anne’s Parish for 21 years. Father Dubi has been practicing the Transcendental Meditation technique for 36 years.

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  • Sara Anderson

    This is a wonderful interview with a Catholic priest. I will use it often as a reference for Catholics who come to hear an introductory talk on TM. Some Catholics have expressed an interest in TM and also expressed a concern that TM might be incompatible with their religion. It is best for them to hear an explanation and testimonial directly from a priest rather than from a TM teacher. We look forward to more interviews with religious leaders from around the world—from the Commonwealth of Dominica

  • http://tm.org Richard Hobbs

    Andrew Sullivan “Of no party or clique” writing for the Atlantic has picked up this video and written a nice piece. Go to http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/04/catholicism-and-transcendental-meditation.html

  • Stuart Knoles

    When I first heard an introduction to the Transcendental Meditation Program, I thought to myself that since meditation is considered integral to all religions, it must be crucial; if it is crucial, then it is important to do it right, and for that, one should be instructed in a very accurate way. I decided the value of learning Transcendental Meditation was that it was something systematically made available in its purity as it exists in a timeless tradition of knowledge. If I were going to meditate, I reasoned, that is how it should be packaged, in order to insure that it is the real thing.

  • Angela Wilson

    So many people are confused about TM being closely linked with a religion of its own. When I mention I practise TM people often comment that it is in opposition to the Christian faith. I don’t know if this is true around the world but it certainly is of England.

  • http://tm.org Richard Hobbs

    Every time I have come across this, I have found that it is born of an ignorance as to what TM actually is. Once people have a better understanding, such fears usually fade away.

    Father Dubi’s experiences are echoed by so many other religous leaders that meditate, some of which are posted here: http://www.tm.org/meditation-techniques (go to the bottom left of the page and click on ‘What religous leaders say’.

  • http://www.tm.org Lorrie

    This is a wonderful interview. I live in New Mexico where there are many Catholics and they love their TM practice. There is a nun in New Mexico with the Sisters of Charity who has also been practicing the TM technique and the TM-Sidhi Program for many years . She enjoys her practice and also finds it enhances her religious belief and practices.

    • Carol

      It seems to me the TM is mainly done with Catholics. Although this is considered a Christian Faith, I haven’t read anything about the mainline denominations practicing TM, such as the Baptist, the charasmatic and the nondenominational churches, such as “Joel”, Pat Robinson from CBN, Andrew Wommack, and a slew of others that I listen to. Also the TM practice seems to me to be self hyopnosis, and mind over matter. Why does our mainline denominations NOT practice it. We are bible based. The bible does say to meditate day and night (not just an hour or 2 in the morning). I’m a little concerned, as my son is into this and even planning to go to India for 3 1/2 months to “really learn it”. What would be the purpose of going to India if they teach it here, and how is he going to make money from teaching it? I’m concerned and confused. He left me this web site to read.

      • Ewan Gilmour

        People from all religions practice TM. It makes no difference which Faith. My mother is a practicing Protestant Christian and encourages all her friends in the Church to learn Transcendental Meditation. She says it deepens her experience of her Faith. TM is not self-hypnosis or mind over matter, but a simple mental technique which is effortless and allows the body to get a deep rest. During this rest our bodies heal themselves of the negative effects of stress. The benefits are countless I would strongly encourage you to take up the practice of TM yourself and in that way know exactly what your son is enjoying from his meditation. At the free introductory lecture at your local centre there is opportunity to ask any questions you may have. In joining the millions of people from all Faiths around the world practicing TM, I am sure that just like my mother, you will soon be encouraging others in your Church to take it up! Best Wishes!

      • Rosanne

        The Catholic Church was the “mainline” Christian Church until Martin Luther broke away in 1517. Then the Christian Church fractured off in 30,000 different directions. Open you telephone book and see how many “Christian” churches there are now. The Bible was first printed in 1456. How was the Christian faith passed on if it was not in print? It was passed on orally through Holy Scripture and Holy Tradition through the Catholic Church. Jesus said to Peter “Thou Art Peter and upon this Rock I will build my church and the gates of hell will not prevail against it” Peter and the Apostles spread the word and it was Catholic until Martin Luther’s protest. I have been both Catholic and Protestant and returned to the Catholic faith once I studied it thoroughly mostly by studying Protestant ministers who in trying to disprove the Catholic Church found truth and embraced Catholicism. Example Scott Hahn.

  • http://www.firstlightpropertiesinc.com Jaison Lynch

    really nice. im very happy to see someone within the church explaining the TM technique so simply and clearly. it is a great benefit to all people no matter their religion.

  • http://www.bntforkidz.org Bob Huebner

    What a great affirmation of the TM and what allows one to experience by using the technique. Cudos for Father Dubi.

  • Nomsa Gantsho

    I have heard about TM through a friend and she has invited me so many times. The stories I have just read are adding to my interest. I would like to practice TM. I stay in Johannesburg.

    Kind Regards

  • Jayv Pilai

    I found this very exciting. Knowing Christianity through the scriptures and listening to sermons; takes me only up to a cretin extent towards salvation. I still kept coming back to “Ground 0″. I find that my spiritual advancement towards ‘SANCTIFICATION’ and eventually to ‘SALVATION’ was stifled. I felt that there needs to be something more in order to keep me falling back to where I started. In my search to find out what is this that I have to do to walk towards SALVATION, I asked myself WHAT DID JESUS DO? It came upon me that the New Testament clearly indicates the fact that JESUS HIMSELF WAS HEAVILY INTO MEDITATION. The first evidence of this, is the fact that He fasted and meditated for 40 days in the desert and every now and then, left His disciples and disappeared into the hills to meditate and to communicate with God. Modern day Christianity has sadly lost the plot. Every Christian I talk to, desperately want to distance the Christian Faith with that of any form of MEDITATION let alone TM (Transcendental Meditation). They say yes to the presence of meditation but only to what they say as “MEDITATION ON THE WORD”. Yet, there is no defining what this exactly means. It is for certain that they (Modern day Christians) do not like the idea of Jesus having practiced something which is a CORNER STONE in another faith (Hinduism) which dates thousands of years before the birth of Christianity. Sadly, the ‘EGO’ in them covers the intellect which is required to know that God our father is only one and the wanting to feel a sense of superiority from the other person next to us, is the greatest impediment to our spiritual growth. Jesus Himsely said:

    “If Amy man comes after me,
    let him DENY HIMSELF and
    carry his cross daily and follow
    me.”

    In Psalms God Himself is quoted as having said:

    “Be still and know that I am God.”

    Meditation therefore should not be made ineffective by this narrow meaning given to it by CHURCHIANITY and should include the enlightening practice of TM (Transcdental Meditation). This is what the great YOGANANTHA say about it:

    “Meditation enables us overcome
    the tug of war between the
    matter infested senses and
    our mind and liberates the
    devotee to reinherit our eternal
    home”.

  • http://yahoo hi fr. len/tom davidson

    hi fr. len been many years hope u are well tom im living near springfield il now for the last 7 years so much has happened in my life over the years

  • Bethany Brown

    Isn’t the heart of meditation and yoga in finding our ultimate strength within ourselves, not through God? How is this not conflicting with Christianity?

    • admin

      Hi Bethany,

      Many Christians practice TM with no conflict, as do people from all religions. When learning the TM technique, the teacher does not urge you to believe that you should rely on the technique for “ultimate strength” instead of relying on God.

      It seems a matter of good sense to many people that anything that significantly improves our health, both mentally and physically, will benefit us in all areas of life, including religious life. For example, it is written in the Bible, “Love the Lord Thy God with all thy heart, all thy mind, and all thy strength.” Many Christians feel a responsibility to unfold their God-given potential, to develop themselves as a human being and do justice to what God has given us. TM is a natural, effective way to help do that. Just as eating healthy food and getting exercise doesn’t conflict with one’s religion, what religion could be against reducing stress and rejuvenating mind and body?

      Let me know if you have any further questions,
      Nathan

    • sophiann

      Bethany I agree ,TM has nothing to do with GOD or Christianity. These are deceptive practices.

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